Funny. I had completely different picture in mind of what themes that album cover could be reflecting. When seeing the picture and reading the story of this girl, i thought the title "Home" was to make mockery about the phrase "home is the safest place in the world". An phrase, that should be the most true for little girl like in this picture, but because world is sick, this act of cruelty, is what some get instead of home. The themes they talk in that decibel interview although.. I must say i don't really see the connection there.
The "Controversial Cover Art" thread
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08-10-2016, 01:19 PM
This is a really interesting topic, although it seems kind of a hot potato, so I hesitated for a while if I should say anything. Firstly, I have to establish that I understand if someone finds the album cover offending. Death and actual dead people are definitely a sensitive topic in art, let alone children who have suffered a violent death. Some have even opposed Gunther von Hagens' Body Worlds exhibition (http://www.bodyworlds.com/en.html), and those bodies belong to people who have willingly offered them to the artist.
And this is something that rubbed me the wrong way regarding the conversation around this cover art as well. There's always someone who feels the need to define what is art and what is not. And usually, these people feel that others should agree to their rules. Here in Finland, we even have people in the government who think they have the right to say that some art isn't as valuable as the other. No intention to offend Doogz, but I got a feeling from your opening post that you had already decided that there is no way this subject could be justified and they are only seeking attention. I find this a rather black and white way to look at things. Also, I was quite annoyed by the way the first question in that Decibel interview was stated. Really unprofessional and idiotic. The other point here is the actual victim and death itself. I obviously would understand that for example relatives would feel horrible about the usage of the said picture, but I can't help but feel that the reaction of the outsiders has something to do with death being so unfamiliar with the modern day society. It's as if death would've been cleaned away from the community, and we want no reminders of it. Of course such a violent death is a bit different matter, but would it be possible to think of it as paying tribute to the victim? These kind of cases usually tend to revolve around the murderer, so maybe we need a reminder from time to time, that there's an actual victim here and these kind of horrific things happen in our world.
Loputon Suo - A dark and melodic black/death metal band from Finland.
https://loputonsuo.bandcamp.com/releases https://www.facebook.com/loputon.suo/
08-10-2016, 09:02 PM
(08-10-2016, 01:19 PM)Emplate Wrote: No intention to offend Doogz, but I got a feeling from your opening post that you had already decided that there is no way this subject could be justified and they are only seeking attention. I find this a rather black and white way to look at things. None taken! :-) In hindsight, my original post was a reaction to that Decibel interview. I'd done a bit of research into the cover after hearing the album and found out about the murders and that this was an autopsy photo (not crime scene as I originally stated) of the youngest victim. I found it a bit distasteful, and couldn't see it's relevance to the song titles or music, but that's irrelevant. I figured they probably had their reasons... It wasn't until a few days later that I saw the Decibel interview, and got a bit incensed about the utter bollocks they were talking. For example; "she will never lose the innocence of childhood"? She lost that innocence in the last few seconds of her life when her father butchered her. Have another go chaps. Plenty of bands have had justifiable reasons for horrible covers... Carcass first two albums spring to mind. I'm sure that this cover could be justified one way or another (in fact, you manage to do it yourself in the paragraph that I quote below!!!), unfortunately not by the band themselves. (08-10-2016, 01:19 PM)Emplate Wrote: Also, I was quite annoyed by the way the first question in that Decibel interview was stated. Really unprofessional and idiotic. Agreed. I guarantee that the original question to the band wasn't phrased like that, and was changed during editing for sensationalist effect. (08-10-2016, 01:19 PM)Emplate Wrote: The other point here is the actual victim and death itself. I obviously would understand that for example relatives would feel horrible about the usage of the said picture, but I can't help but feel that the reaction of the outsiders has something to do with death being so unfamiliar with the modern day society. It's as if death would've been cleaned away from the community, and we want no reminders of it. Of course such a violent death is a bit different matter, but would it be possible to think of it as paying tribute to the victim? These kind of cases usually tend to revolve around the murderer, so maybe we need a reminder from time to time, that there's an actual victim here and these kind of horrific things happen in our world. It would've been a nice tribute, wouldn't it? Like I said above, you've managed to find a justification there that the band couldn't. I used to play in death band that had some comprehensively explicit lyrics and song titles. They were deliberately made extremely horrible and detailed in a way that didn't glorify the blood and gore as other "comedy" death metal bands such as Cannibal Corpse could be accused of doing. When an interviewer pulled us up about it, we simply said: "well, horrible shit happens in the world everyday, and we want to bring your attention to it instead of brushing it under the carpet". So, now I'm firmly off my soapbox and calmed down a few days later; I'm not opposed to the use of the picture, I'm opposed to this bands weak excuses.
08-14-2016, 08:07 PM
(08-10-2016, 09:02 PM)Doogz Wrote: It wasn't until a few days later that I saw the Decibel interview, and got a bit incensed about the utter bollocks they were talking. For example; "she will never lose the innocence of childhood"? She lost that innocence in the last few seconds of her life when her father butchered her. I'm not exactly sure how the term "innocence" should be considered here, but I'm curious, how do you see someone killing her affecting her presumed innocence? (08-10-2016, 09:02 PM)Doogz Wrote:(08-10-2016, 01:19 PM)Emplate Wrote: The other point here is the actual victim and death itself. I obviously would understand that for example relatives would feel horrible about the usage of the said picture, but I can't help but feel that the reaction of the outsiders has something to do with death being so unfamiliar with the modern day society. It's as if death would've been cleaned away from the community, and we want no reminders of it. Of course such a violent death is a bit different matter, but would it be possible to think of it as paying tribute to the victim? These kind of cases usually tend to revolve around the murderer, so maybe we need a reminder from time to time, that there's an actual victim here and these kind of horrific things happen in our world.It would've been a nice tribute, wouldn't it? Like I said above, you've managed to find a justification there that the band couldn't.. Heh, well, yeah, possibly :) But I guess art ceases to belong solely to its creator once it's been let loose to the world. I believe that at some point other interpretations may be just as valuable as those of the artist's. With that said, I still think there was nothing wrong with the band's reply.
Loputon Suo - A dark and melodic black/death metal band from Finland.
https://loputonsuo.bandcamp.com/releases https://www.facebook.com/loputon.suo/
08-18-2016, 05:50 AM
I don't see how what they said was pretentious.How I see it is they're just saying that life only goes downhill after childhood to which I agree with. The sentiment is this kid doesn't have to go through experiencing this menial existence or the redundant and ultimately unfulfilling aspects society obliges adults to take on. I would find it tasteless if the family didn't want the photo to be used but other than that I don't have a problem with what's being portrayed.
09-07-2016, 12:12 PM
I was going to stay out of this one, but now I stumbled upon this band again and am tempted to buy the album. Shit Shit Shit Shit Shit Shit! :-)
Must consider about the cover. It does not disturb me in a way that I find it hard to look at, but in a way that it makes me sad and angry, for in my opinion, violence towards children is one of the worst things that exist. However, I don't believe that displaying it this way sends any signal of it (murder/violence) being okay. The money-making part is something else entirely, and even though the band may have stated that it's not about attention, they won't be able to deny that it will ultimately spawn exactly that. Which will also help regarding sales. Basically, it (the cover) saddens me a great deal. Maybe that's a desired effect, but I'd rather have gone without it.
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09-22-2017, 05:57 PM
Didn't actually listen to this, but saw it come by on FB. I suppose the cover is more provocative or funny, depending on your point of view, rather than controversial, but I didn't want to open a whole new thread for it.
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09-22-2017, 06:25 PM
It's certainly got him some attention that he might not of otherwise got, haha!!! The music ain't bad actually, nothing groundbreaking, but not shit.
09-22-2017, 09:31 PM
(09-22-2017, 06:25 PM)Doogz Wrote: It's certainly got him some attention that he might not of otherwise got, haha!!! The music ain't bad actually, nothing groundbreaking, but not shit. Yeah, have to give him some credit for luring all those people in with the cover. Looking forward to his next album just for the sake of what the cover might be.
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